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Old 07-19-2008, 10:59 PM Reply With Quote


Well I learn something new everyday and tonight I learned you can play mp4 video files through flash now....MP4 is way better than flv with better quality and smaller file size. Example: I took a video I had and converted it to mp4. The file size is only 27mbs. The same file in flv is 62mbs. The mp4 has better quality also..

This is so awesome!!!! Hope you guys find this useful. BTW I tested it out in SM2 so I know it works using the SM2 Component's Video Player....




               
 
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Old 07-20-2008, 09:59 AM Reply With Quote


Hi! can you post your example so it could be tested? just a test SWF container with playing MP4? Thanks.


               
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:20 PM Reply With Quote


I don't know if I agree or not. I don't know enough. I just played with it a bit.

I made an mp4 and flash8 2 pass of the same avi.

The flv seems to blur the image some. The mp4 seems crisper and clearer but more pixilated. The flv was a significantly smaller file.

I used the same bitrate, frame rate, etc for both to try and make it as even a test as possible and did it with no audio for same reason.

I suppose that the software/codecs ect, used to encode them could make significant differences.

Here they are side by side.

must have latest version of flashplayer installed to view, at least if viewing in firefox.

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Old 07-20-2008, 02:44 PM Reply With Quote


browndrake I purchased Sony Vegas 8 Pro last year and QuickTime Pro. Maybe that makes a big difference I do not know but what I do know is the same .mov file I rendered is alot smaller in mp4 format than flv and the mv4 looks better.


               
 
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Old 07-20-2008, 03:03 PM Reply With Quote


like I said, there are many variables that I dont know.

I am sure that you got the results you stated. I just dont know enough about video encoding to know what put in will give what resultsout.

I used super to encode the mp4 with H.264/AVC and swish video3 to make the flv, with flash8 2 pass encoding

both were with size 320x240, 15 fps, 128 kbps Bitrate
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It would be fun to start with the same movie and test it in several encoders and see if there are similar outcomes. sony vegas and quick time pro are a bit of a step up from my free, super.

Also, it is possible that changing certain variables, ie make the movie with higher bitrates, size, or fps, that this could make more significant differences.

I find it interesting and am always just trying to learn more.

Just posted above to encourage more discussion and exporation.

thanks for starting the topic

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Thanks browndrake for putting some time into it! It is an interesting comparison, I am always interested in topics about digital video transferred over the net. Hope this thread will have some good guests, info and samples in it.


               
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hey browndrake did you ever look at the file I sent to you by email? I do have another one that seems easier but I am having some little issues with it bring it over from Flash to SM2. Maybe you could help. I know its a syntax issue or some function issue maybe you could help.


               
 
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hey browndrake lets really do a comparison of the same video. You find a video we both can download then lets encode them both to flv and mp4. Lets really see which one is better using different software.


               
 
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Old 07-26-2008, 09:35 PM Reply With Quote


sounds like a good idea. Some others here probably have some other encoders too and can jump in to help.

If anybody has a good video too test on, please post a link. I may be able to come up with one in a few days, but others probably have something located already.

We need to try it at different settings too, to see if one way is better for high end and another for low end.

I am sure that there are some video gurus around here that probably already know many of these answers. It would be great to get some of them to offer their 2cents.

Someone like BBB from over sz would be a great resource.

lets do it.


               
 
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I haven't taken the time to dig into this any more yet, but I asked bigBadBill to check out the thread. He knows more about this than many of us do. Here was his response:

Quote:
DivX is pretty much the standard bearer when it comes to quality. But,
it requires the end used to get the player and many people are skittish
about that. FLV's are a strong #2 choice in my book. The players are
easy to customize, pre-loaders are easy to install so people can see how
much is loaded, and so on. Also, any user of Swish Video can customize
the player to fit perfectly into their site's design. Always a plus. You
can see what I mean at http://www.esntion.com/videos.php. We also encode
them so that people can download them, for free, to their cell phones
(gratuitous plug).

I hate MP4's. As noted by one poster on the thread you sent, they
pixelate. They also will crush audio on the lower resolutions and blurry
plus muffled has never equaled good for me.

Another trick we use for some of our client sites is to load the videos
on You Tube and then decrease the size of the player. That keeps the
resolution crisper and the audio at its original volume. If you cut the
player by 30% to 50% you will see what I mean. It also eases bandwidth
issues for smaller sites.

If someone has the budget and really needs to make an impression, they
can check out VideGoPro.com. It is a really impressive way to embed
training sessions and so on for companies, but it ain't free. They
basically convert everything into FLV and host on their server which is
massive and seems to have God's bandwidth to play with.

As to conversion programs, as one poster noted, Sony is great but may be
a nit pricey for some. Sorenson is excellent as well, but you REALLY
need to make sure you know what resolution you want or you will end up
with a huge file. Swish Video is easy to use and I do so for the most
part. There are a few others as well that are different brand names but
not different enough in quality to make me mention them.
As I find more time, I will continue playing with this. I just wanted to post BBB's input, as he works with this and knows a lot more about it than do I.

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filesatoz flash to mp4...


               
 
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